Episode 10: Super Gratitude: Taking on something new in your business
SPEAKERS
Kate Jaeger-Thomas, Scott Robson, Sybil Grieb
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 00:00
Alright, Scott, we have got a great show today, wouldn't you say?
Scott Robson 00:04
The most fun show ever. We are closing out season one with the show with just you and I.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 00:10
I know! It's been so long, like it was like six months ago when we did our first episode, I think and then recorded it. So it's been a really long time since it's been just you and me.
Scott Robson 00:19
I know, it really feels like it. This is gonna be a really fun episode, because in this episode, we're talking about something that a lot of entrepreneurs struggle with, which is doing something for the first time and we wanted to do an episode just on that. And in this case, that's us doing a podcast together.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 00:33
Oh, yeah. So we go through all the lessons learned, all of our favorite moments, you know, and it's funny that you mentioned like, all entrepreneurs go through doing stuff for the first time, but I think we overlook it. A lot of the times we overlook the fact that we're trying something new. So I love this episode, because we really dive deep into like the experience and all the good and the bad, and the not so comfortable parts of it. So it's fun.
Scott Robson 00:57
Also, we talked about what is coming up on season two, which I'm really thrilled to be giving you a little bit of a sneak peek on because we've got some fun things in store.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 01:06
Oh, yeah, absolutely. All the lessons learned from this season and what that's going to mean for next season. And I mean, most important of all, we kick the whole conversation off with some lovely banter about the board games that you are propping your podcast mic on. So you know, enjoy that.
Scott Robson 01:26
Enjoy that, enjoy that. I changed locations, and anybody who's been on Zoom understands what it's like when you get to prop it all up. So enjoy me figuring that out live on the air. So that was super fun. So everybody, enjoy Kate and I are interviewing each other about the first time doing something new. In this case, it's this podcast.
Intro 01:47
Welcome to less than likely a podcast featuring honest behind the scenes stories of real entrepreneurs, and their less than likely journeys in creating successful businesses. Kate and Scott chat with founders from all industries and stages in business development to bring you the real, the brave and the messy of building something larger than yourself while being human.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 02:12
Do you want to just move around a little bit more?
Scott Robson 02:15
Hold on. I have it on gameboard boxes, literally all of our games are over there. Like, like stacked up and I'm like, oh, game boards would be perfect.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 02:26
What game boards are you playing on?
Scott Robson 02:28
So here's what we're playing on. We're playing on this is a new one called Vienna that my friend got us, which for obvious reasons. He's like, you guys need to have this. It's all about I don't know, being like a merchant in Vienna in the 19th century. This I got for a Serge for his birthday because he loves it. Trivial Pursuit?
Scott Robson 02:47
Is it the original? It's not.
Scott Robson 02:48
The original, the classic edition.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 02:50
Oh my gosh. So every answer is Cold War or Babe Ruth. Just so you know.
Scott Robson 02:56
Correct. Correct. And then this is one of my favorites Telestrations.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 03:00
Oh, so that is a great game, we play a version of that game. We call it Top Line. And it is so fucking fun. It is great for like five people. But what you do is everybody gets a sheet of paper. And you write a headline at the top of the paper, right? Like, we always do funny things like: Ben's like you know, "Doughnuts fall apart after being hit by train" something like that. And then...
Scott Robson 03:25
Already I'm loving this.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 03:26
It's so good. And then you pass it to the right. And they have to draw a picture of that headline. And then you fold down the words, you pass it to the right again, the person has to write a new headline based on what the drawing is. So it's just like Telestrations. And so it's like, at the end, same thing. It is so funny.
Scott Robson 03:50
I love this version of this!
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 03:55
We play it all the time, the four of us and my mom and it's just ridiculous because I'm a horrible draw-er, like stick figures....
Scott Robson 04:04
But I feel like these games actually reward the people who draw the worst because the guesses end up being so funny as to what it acutally is, that it ends up being like the whole highlight of the game.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 04:16
But yeah, so that's a good game. Put it in your pocket.
Scott Robson 04:20
I'm putting in my back pocket and I will be using it. Yeah, yes. Good. I'm into it.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 04:25
Well we did that. Good job!
Scott Robson 04:27
That so can we we did we need to talk?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 04:34
Why?
Scott Robson 04:35
This is the last episode of our first season.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 04:39
Yes, yes. You know, I think that that is known to you and I, but I don't know if anyone else knows that. We are doing 10 episode seasons, right? This is going to be our final episode of this season. We'll take a break and then we'll come back but.... what a journey it has been.
Scott Robson 04:58
It's been really fantastic. And you know, the first thing that like I was thinking about before we met up today, I was like, I just feel so much gratitude for all the listeners and all the people that have been listening in and giving us feedback and sending little notes. I really just appreciate it so much. And I'm so glad that it's touching so many people, because we have loved these conversations so much.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 05:22
I know. I feel the exact same way, like the notes and the people who are like, Oh, I listened to this. And this is what I heard, or this is what was really helpful to me. It's just like, oh, my gosh, my heart just like expands three sizes, because... we're going to talk all about how this has been for you and for me... but it feels like we're creating this this little thing and you don't know what it's going to be like until it's out there in the world. And it feels so special to my life right now. And to have it touch other people's lives and mean something to them is like, Yeah, super gratitude.
Scott Robson 05:58
But one of the things that I know that you and I were really jazzed about talking today, we really wanted to talk about what it was like doing something new in our businesses, from the point of view of starting this podcast, because this was a long time in the making.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 06:11
It was long time in the making. I mean, I think that a lot of people have the idea of like, Oh, I'll do a podcast. And I was certainly one of those people. I know you are certainly one of those people. And so it started as that.
Scott Robson 06:24
Yeah, I mean, we put in the hours. I mean, I think it took us about three or four months, between actually thinking about doing it until we pulled the trigger and felt like we had our ducks in a row to make it happen.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 06:35
Yeah, and I want to share like inside our relationship, we've been talking for a long time. it was really a moment to say like, Wait, is this something that we should do together? And then that set off this whole series of ideas and expectations and implementation plans, and so on and so forth.
Scott Robson 06:55
It was a little scary. I remember, for me at least, right? Because when you and I were like, oh, let's actually collaborate. And then I remember you saying, Oh, well, I've actually been thinking of a way that you and I could collaborate, which I was like, that's so sweet. That's so nice that you've been thinking that. But then the first thing that of course, came up was like, oh, man, I don't know what if something goes wrong, I don't want to screw up our friendship, you know, like, I had to take a beat. And then I was like, No, we're good. I feel safe. We're too similar in too many ways for this to go off the rails.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 07:23
Yeah, being in a place of collaboration with another person really requires a ton of trust, and all of my trust stuff came up. And what was great, I knew that, like you were somebody I can trust. But it just goes to show I think for our listeners, you know, we enter into all of these collaborations with people. And I think we minimize the vulnerability of it. And what it does bring up for us when we say yeah, let's work on something together. Then there was also like, are we on the same page? What about when we need to challenge each other in some way? Like, you and I are not necessarily in our regular calls, like challenging each other's perspectives, you know, and saying like, Oh, no, I think we should do it that way. I think we should do it that way. And so you know, at first, whenever we would come with like, our ideas, I felt a lot of worry and anxiety about like, oh my gosh, like, Maybe he thinks I'm dumb, or maybe we have different values and like what he wants to do is totally different from what I want to do, and how are we going to navigate that? And it was just really amazing to watch.
Scott Robson 08:40
Because here's the thing, and I think that anybody who has a business, and then decides to either take in a partner or to create a collaboration or partnership with with another business, they can understand this. I am used to it being my way in my business, for better and for worse. Right.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 08:57
Right, exactly.
Scott Robson 08:58
So bringing you in, I for sure saw all the perks because I'm like, oh my god, like Kate's so great, you're totally gonna push me in ways that I wouldn't push myself and I really both, like want that, I need that. And I think we all would like that experience. But also, I think that like it was just the letting go of it being my way.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 09:18
That's the other thing that I think has been very freeing with us. It creates a lot of place to just play and allows us to be like, well, you know what, we can make a mistake. We're still learning, we're still figuring it out. I think if I were doing this on my own, or with somebody I had a different kind of relationship with, I would feel so much more like I need to control every little thing and make it exactly my way and the perfect way. Right? Whatever that might be.
Scott Robson 09:48
Yeah, I think that's probably one of the things that I did the most was to let go in it looking a certain way. Does that make sense? Because I cannot tell you like even in my editing, like I literally looked at the first episodes, and it was they were so so so like, edited to within an inch of themselves. And now I'm like, I'm gonna just let that go, that's fine. But I'm like, it doesn't matter, I sort of understand, I think now what is the most important thing to listen for? And it's not what I thought it was in the beginning. And I think that just comes through practice and through relaxing into seeing something through, right. You sort of just get that experience of being like, you know what, like, I don't have to protect myself so much, you know, it doesn't have to be so perfect.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 10:33
And it really is a protection mechanism. I have to pause for a second because I forgot to close the window and turn off the fan. So this is all probably ruined. And I failed you yet again.
Scott Robson 10:50
You're fired. I'm gonna get another co host name Kate, just so I don't have to rebrand everything.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 10:58
There you go. That's exactly right. And you know, just to your point, though, it is totally a safety to keep it like super, super tight in and perfect. And I think my point in talking about all of this, that there's been a real surprising to me kind of safety actually, in working with somebody that I trust so much. And I love collaborating with people. But as you said, about having your business and having your own way, I am way out of practice. And so it's, that was a really nice surprise to me,right.
Scott Robson 11:34
I'm so out a practice of collaborating too. Before we had before we were coaches, we worked in regular jobs, like corporate jobs. And we are used to collaborating. And I think that my expectation was very different than of what I wanted that to look like. And I needed to create a new agreement with myself as to what collaboration looks like, because I did not want it to look like what it looked like then. Because I feel like I've changed so much, I want something different. But yet, I was out of practice with collaborating period. So it was really nice to sort of rediscover what collaboration can look like through the lens of having my own business, and letting go and creating safety and shifting what I was caring about, you know, and keeping an eye on the ball and what was important. So,yeah, so I think that's just the process of that.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 12:27
I'm glad we've done this. Good job.
Scott Robson 12:30
Good job.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 12:31
Good job saying yes to this.
Scott Robson 12:33
So you and I prepared some questions that we're gonna ask each other. And I think that there might be some similar answers, in some ways.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 12:41
Sure.
Scott Robson 12:41
But I'm really curious about what you wrote. Should we get started?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 12:45
Sure. Let's do it.
Scott Robson 12:46
Okay, so the first question is, what did you learn? And what are you continuing to learn?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 12:51
So one, that podcasts are a boatload of work. And I think people tend to be like, Oh, well I'll do a podcast. It's a lot of fucking work.
Scott Robson 13:00
This is the thing that every single person who has done a podcast says first, by the way. They're like, Oh, my God, it is so much more work than you thought it was gonna be. And it's totally worth it.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 13:10
It is totally worth it. And it's more fun to do it with a friend that you trust. So that is something I've learned. Also, I learned that - with the right editor, thank you very much, Scott, because you're a genius - I sound often, but not always, smarter than I feel.
Scott Robson 13:29
Good, I'm glad my job is well done..
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 13:32
It really is. I'm always like, Oh, he made sense of that. That is awesome, thank you. And, you know, I think that I realized that I still have a lot to learn. I feel like we are not even a few steps past the starting point here.
Scott Robson 13:50
I agree.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 13:52
Right? That this whole season, I feel immensely proud of the work that you and I put together. Like if we didn't do anything else, like, freakin fantastic job, right? But also, there's just so much more, right? The marketing of it, getting listeners, getting to know our listeners, I think one of the things I know you and I both need to learn is that we've built this podcast, and yet I think that our listeners know our guests better than they know their hosts at this stage.
Scott Robson 14:25
I know. We've talked about this, I agree.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 14:28
So I know that we need to do a better job there. And I'm excited about discovering what that is. So that's what I've learned. What have you learned and are continuing to learn?
Scott Robson 14:38
Okay, so that was a great answer, by the way.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 14:40
Thank you.
Scott Robson 14:41
You know, I learned all about how to edit a podcast, which I had very little idea how to do beforehand.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 14:46
I mean, like hidden skill. If you wanted to, you could quit all of the jobs and go and edit podcasts because, I'm telling you people like we threw some weird ass shit at Scott. And you made it sound great. Like mics are off and weird, and like my cat throw it having a total hissy fit in the middle of one of the podcasts.
Scott Robson 15:13
That's right, that's so funny.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 15:15
My dog coming in and out, the menagerie of my home so much. And then me just like, Okay, I'm gonna stop mid sentence in the middle of this, and then I'll pick up like, from three minutes ago, you're gonna be able to figure that out, right? I'm so sorry. You're a genius. So keep going.
Scott Robson 15:34
It is my pleasure. Really. The other thing that I learned was how to be visible and doing this podcast was a really big part of that. I think I may have told you this, that this was one of my big goals for this year was just to get out there more, be more visible. I set the intention early on in the year. And I did not know what that was gonna look like. I was like, Oh, maybe I like do a little group program, which I did do. But this podcast was not even like a glimmer in my eye, I did not know that we were going to be doing this. And so this was just a really huge part of me learning how to be visible in a way that was really comfortable to me and felt doable. And I really am continuing to learn though, like how to be more authentic and vulnerable on here. It is not easy, or comes natural to me to be super vulnerable with people that I don't know. So like you fine, like letting it all hang out. But one of the things that I realized was that that is also where a huge part of the value is for a lot of people is hearing our story, hearing my story. And so that is something that I'm continuing to learn how to do in a way that feels comfortable for me, and provides value and like threading that needle between like sharing and being... I don't know, like, I think there's always that fear of sounding self absorbed. I would much rather it be about somebody else, like that is my natural state. So I would rather the spotlight not be on me. And that's one of the things that I think that's why I'm a good coach, too. I love keeping the ball rolling and designing where the ball is going, but not being necessarily the ball itself.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 17:13
Right? No, I can see that. And I really think that is such a strength to our podcast. Like I always felt that when we were in our interviews, and I just really felt you been very intentional about, okay, where are we going next? What are we calling forward in our guest next, and I loved that, because I'm always like, I don't know what I'm going to say next. We'll see what happens. And also, I think that a big part of the vulnerability is threading that needle also between being professional and like buttoned up and a good host and present to people. And also really connecting with how it impacts you.
Scott Robson 17:57
Yeah, and here's the thing, I think there's for sure, and like, this is the part of me that all of my friends and family know, really well, there is a part of me that loves that intimacy. And then there's a part of me, that is the professional part of me, that is the coach that is like I want to be a little bit more intentional about being a blank slate in a neutral space so that my clients can show up and feel like they can take up the space. And so there's an inherent conflict between those two things for me.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 18:25
That's okay, too, right? Like, we've created this. And now we get to really play and, you know, let it be a challenge and help us with our own personal growth edges and things like that. And I still feel like nothing's missing, either from what is there thus far? It's just like, All right, next chapter.
Scott Robson 18:46
Next thing. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of the next thing, shall we go on to the next question?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 18:51
Yes. Okay. I'm going to ask you first. Okay, so I think we're touching in some of this, there might be some overlaps here, but like, what is scary, or what was scary for you? And what continues to be scary?
Scott Robson 19:03
I think what was really scary was that idea, like we're gonna have to secure really good guests.
Scott Robson 19:08
Yeah.
Scott Robson 19:08
For the podcast, I'm like, Who the hell are we gonna get? And then of course, I was like, Oh, wait, I know amazing people. And you're like, I know amazing people. And it very quickly filled in and we made our wish list and like everybody said Yes. We didn't have anybody who said no. And I know that we really wanted to have that well rounded out representation of entrepreneurship here. We wanted to have local businesses, regional, national, online businesses, you wanted to have artists, you want to have nonprofits. And I'm just really proud that we were able to pull that off. I really am. Like, and I know that there's still some categories that we would both love to see represented, like funders and writers and just like all those underrepresented people that are in the larger marketplace and not considered as part of the entrepreneurial space but truly, truly are. So I think that as we continue to think about next season, you know, I had some guests that are personally on my wish list that I'd be, you know, super happy to, to reach out to. And that is also big and scary for me. Right. So that's what continues to be scary. I think that there's always that fear of somebody saying no, or like comparing us with another podcast that's a bit further down the road from us. Yeah. And all of that normal, superhuman normal chatter that goes on in my head, you know, but I think that going back to being visible, that this represents a growth edge that I'm really excited to lean into.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 20:31
Yeah, I love that. You know, you've touched on a lot of same things that were scary for me. Similar to the pressure you felt about getting people on, I felt like just asking them was really scary, and then really doing right by them. I want people to feel so proud of this. And we want our guests to really feel like they shine with it. And they're telling their story. So that was always my concern. When the episodes were released, Are they going to like it? I mean, it's scary to frickin put something out there. Honestly...
Scott Robson 21:09
I know what you mean, though, it's scary.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 21:11
It is. I will say this, all these things were scary. And because we kept moving forward, it also was like really deeply healing. I now feel like oh, yeah, of course, we can do a second great season. Of course, I can work with Scott and collaborate and challenge and ask all these questions, and do that in other areas of my life and business too. By exercising the "yes" muscle, even when it was feeling scary was profoundly healing for me.
Scott Robson 21:42
Me too. This represents a sort of project that I might have started and not finished without another person.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 21:48
Oh, 100%. That would be what was happening here. Yeah, first of all, I have recorded episodes, a podcast, I want to apologize to all of my guests in past times that spent hours, conversing with me that I never - including you - that we never...
Scott Robson 22:06
I was gonna say, I was one of those people.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 22:10
Like, those are just like in the can hanging out, you know, never going to see the light of day. And...
Scott Robson 22:17
It was all practice. For this. I did the same thing. I recorded a podcast episode for a non existent podcast that never got launched. And I think that also shows you the power of collaboration, because when you're creating something with somebody, it's also like, I don't want to let that person down. And so it's bigger than the two of you together. And you really, it helps to hold you accountable, right, that it pushes you to get comfortable with uncomfortable things. So I'm very happy about that. So I'm going to ask you the next question which is What surprised you and continues to surprise you.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 22:51
So I joked with you on the first day that we released that I was like, Oh, wait, now people are going to listen to it?
Scott Robson 22:58
Only your mother in law, right?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 22:59
I know my mother in law who listens to everything. I love her so much. No. And I legitimately I was so focused on the product and the creation of it and whatnot, that I just like, kind of forgot. So when people started to be like, Oh, this is awesome. This is great. It really surprised me. I was like, Oh, right. Right. This is actually the point. So I mean, that just might be my broken brain working there. But legitimately I was a bit surprised by that.
Scott Robson 23:29
Yeah. But when you're creating something, there is always that moment of it existing outside of you, and having to separate yourself from it as a thing.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 23:40
Yeah, I think that that's absolutely true. It's interesting, you know, coming from a theatre background, right? It is really about your experience for a long time. You can't be sitting there thinking, what is the audience thinking about this? How is this going, and like you're in real life. And then there is that moment when you get off the stage? And you're like taking your makeup off, and you're about to go front of house to greet your guests that you're like, oh, right, people were watching. Yes, I heard them, right. Like, yeah, now I get to hear what they have to say. But you have to suspend that in order to create it. And I think that that's what I'm used to.
Scott Robson 24:19
I love that. Yeah.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 24:20
So I just realized, like, I wrote notes. And that's the only thing that I wrote down.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 24:27
What surprised you?
Scott Robson 24:28
When I was listening back to the episodes over and over and over again, there was always a moment and like almost every single guest story where things went wrong, and they had to figure it out, and they had to improvise. And I was so surprised by how consistent that story was. From all the people that came on to the podcast. I was like, Man, you all don't have it all buttoned up and figured out perfectly all the time. That blows my mind, because some of these businesses frankly are so impressive. You know what I'm thinking about the health department pouring bleach in the Coolhaus ice cream truck.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 24:59
Oh my god, yeah. The grease accelerator or whatever for Susie and Susie Cakes like that's...
Scott Robson 25:06
$25,000 and her partner Houston has to sell his beloved car to actually make that payment so that way they can open up their location, right? I'm thinking of Sas Petherick, working through her her alcoholism and her self doubt, to eventually create this beautiful successful coaching academy. The road to success seems to be littered with huge speed bumps and potholes. And that seems to be the rule more than the exception. So that was really powerful for me to hear, because these entrepreneurs can also run the gamut in terms of their personality, too, right? You have Susie, who is this meticulous planner. And then you have Natasha and Freya from Coolhaus, who just built their business step by step right, figuring it out as they went. So that personally gives me hope as an entrepreneur, I think that there's no one right way of doing this. I consider myself somebody who is both extremely analytical and also extremely emotional. And both of those sides are really important to me to honor. So hearing these experiences just for me, it really allowed me to think, oh, there's some room at the table for everyone, regardless of your personality, regardless of how you think, what is the right way to do it. And I hope that was everybody else's takeaway from that as well.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 26:18
Yeah, I love what you're talking about here. And it actually speaks to something that surprised me which is, I thought we would have to work a little harder to get people to open up about what was challenging for them.
Scott Robson 26:33
Oh, yes. That's such a great observation. Yes. I was also surprised by that.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 26:39
I remember you and I having conversations about anticipating the challenge of people being really open about what was hard, what was difficult, the challenges they've experienced? And yeah, not the case at all. I mean, let's be honest, like who we had on was a big factor on that. But even so, it really was like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what we were hoping for I can't believe it's as easy as just asking the question?
Scott Robson 27:12
Who would have thought? Yeah, and you know, and you hope that that's gonna happen, right? And I just so appreciated, they're telling the vulnerable bits of their story, because that was where, for me, the value really was.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 27:23
Well, and I think it's what's so valuable for our listeners as well, right? Like, why we have this podcast at all, the less than likely is to really point out and illustrate for everyone that in almost every entrepreneurs journey, there's been this moment where it's been deeply vulnerable. And I don't know how to move to the next step, and how this is all going to shake down. Yet we have these expectations for ourselves that we are not supposed to have those vulnerable moments. And when we do we judge ourselves and criticize and make it means something about whether or not we're supposed to be an entrepreneur at all. And so it's exactly why we wanted to have these conversations so that people could really see themselves in these stories, and see it mirrored within their own their own experience, right, and keep moving through.
Scott Robson 28:20
Completely. I think that's actually the next question, right, which is, what did we both love from this experience of doing this from this season? And I think I personally loved every single one of our guests, and I wouldn't have wanted our first season to look even slightly different. And even more, I love the unexpected twists and turns of their stories. You know, I'm thinking of Kerstin Martin, being this inevitable entrepreneur with the like dozens of businesses that she seems to have started before landing where she is, right?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 28:51
She just kept naming them and then she was like, I'm an accidental entrepreneur like that it hadn't been happening all along, oh my God, I love her.
Scott Robson 29:03
That moment sticks out in my brain so much. It was hilarious. Like the accidentental, more like the inevitable entrepreneur because it was like you couldn't help yourself or like, kept on creating more businesses.Oh, my God, it was so funny. Or even Erin Loos Cutraro, right, like showing up at work in 2016 after the election, and just getting deluge with women wanting to engage with her and her nonprofit, She Should Run. I mean, you couldn't write this stuff up. And I really love all of those unexpected moments. And that to me, I was like, Damn, you could have never written this stuff.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 29:40
I want to go back and listen to all of them all over again.
Scott Robson 29:44
Me too.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 29:45
I think I'm going to
Scott Robson 29:47
So what did you love about this experience of putting the podcast, of this first season?
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 29:52
I mean, it's just like moments when you're like, oh shit, I get to hear like about how Coolhaus came to be like I get to hear Freya and Natasha talk about their relationship and like how they started dating and building a business at the exact same moment and
Scott Robson 30:11
Freya leaving the business in that dramatic moment. Like moments like that I frickin live for when Freya was just like, You're a terrible CEO, right? Like when we're not at our best,
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 30:24
oh my gosh, I have thought about that. That phrase like so many times, that moment in their relationships so many times since I heard that story, it is really so moving. I really like I am so moved by that moment. Anyway, and I'm just like, so grateful that they shared it. Eva as well, who really opened up about the vulnerability of being an artist and sharing her own experience processing trauma, through her art and sharing it with others. I feel this way about my clients all the time, where I'm like, Holy shit, I get to know you and hear your story and hear the intimate details of what is working and what is not. So to have more of that I just been like, oh, my gosh, I made this happen. Yeah.
Scott Robson 31:22
I know, I always feel really great when I could trot out somebody that I've had a relationship with, or I've coached for a really long time and be like, Guys, you don't even know the behind the scenes story on this is gonna blow your mind. And everybody to hear it. I'm so excited
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 31:35
I'm jumping ahead to what our next question is, what we're looking forward to. And you know, our last episode with Sybil, I am so excited about having experts on the podcast and really asking all the questions because I have a million. And so you know, I loved that episode. It was such a fun, different experience. I didn't know what it was going to be like to switch gears into the expert episode. But what a treat. I want more.
Scott Robson 32:11
Me too. I want, like this is going to be a thing that we do for sure. Throughout all the seasons. It was eye opening for me. I feel like I got a masterclass in online strategy. I hope everybody else who listened to that episode did as well if you haven't listened to it, please check it out. It's really fascinating. Talk about somebody who just knows her stuff, and is so generous, and sharing it with our listeners. And I've been thinking about her episode all week long, because the way that she broke it down was so easy to understand.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 32:40
Yeah, she was really just fantastic. And, you know, I also loved that Sybil was the first person who was like, I listened to your podcast, and she brought up Deanna's episode with Good Bottle as like a form of our influencer/creator marketing. And I mean that like felt so good, I have to say, to have Sybil, be like, oh, yeah, I was listening to this. I mean, I would certainly be listening to the podcast that I was going to be a guest on. So no surprise there. But to really talk about how we're influencing and bringing these people to these other listeners and like influencing how they're making decisions, like what she was talking about with, with Deanna and Good Bottle and how it's impacted her decision making so... You know, I am excited about more connections like that, like creating this web of entrepreneurs and founders and people who are all in conversation together in this way.
Scott Robson 33:47
I just came up with such a fun idea. What if we did like a roundtable at some point?
Scott Robson 33:51
A reunion show?
Scott Robson 33:52
A reunion roundtable we have like a bunch of our guests on, and they're able to talk about their experiences together, when that'd be so cool.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 34:00
That would be super cool. We should do like a whole season of that. That would be so fun.
Scott Robson 34:04
Oh my god. I just got really excited. We're gonna put a pin in that and maybe do that. Because I think that would be fascinating for people.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 34:12
Did I interrupt you and your answer to what you're looking forward to or...?
Scott Robson 34:17
No, ot at all. We're just going back and forth. See, this is like, Aw, we take care of each other. This is what we do. So no, but my answer was very similar. You know, I'm personally really looking forward to having really unexpected guests on next season with equally unexpected stories.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 34:38
Sounds like a good like little catchphrase there. Nice tagline.
Scott Robson 34:42
Maybe that'll be our tagline for season two unexpected guests with unexpected stories.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 34:46
Ooh, love it. We'll test it like Sybil suggested we should.
Scott Robson 34:51
Exactly. But I'm really looking forward to being also surprised by how the podcast continues to evolve like even like that idea. Like let's do a round table like the fact that you were talking about like we had this expert episode... that wasn't even something that we even spoke about doing when we're planning things out is really having expert episodes when planning out our first season. So like it was maybe on the periphery I can't even remember. But I love this idea that the podcast can be a playground for fun ideas. So I'm gonna keep on listening for those fun ideas. I know you will. And if any of our listeners have any ideas of their own, please send them in. We would love to hear them.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 35:26
Yeah, that speaks to something I'm really excited about is getting to know our listeners, right? Like, who are you? What are you excited about? Who do you think we should be talking to? Send them our way. We'd love for you to be in this conversation with us.
Scott Robson 35:43
lessthanlikely.com Just go right, you can just send us a message right from the website or DM us on Instagram. We would love to hear from you, or anything else that you want us to cover as far as our experience as leadership and business coaches in working with a lot of other leaders and entrepreneurs. Yeah, send them we would love to see what ideas you guys have.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 36:03
Absolutely. So we're going to be taking a hiatus for a few weeks/ months. As we round out the summer.
Scott Robson 36:12
We're taking the summer off.
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 36:13
We're taking the summer off. So we'll be back in the fall with Season Two. It's going to have more entrepreneurs, amazing founder stories like you have come to expect here, more experts and also more of you and me. I really am looking forward to having more, you know you and I really flexing those visibility and letting our voices be heard. So more episodes where it's just you and I chatting for a bit. Yeah?
Scott Robson 36:41
Yeah, we both have some really, really fun ideas for next season. And so stay tuned and find out. So yeah, so thanks again to everybody who listened to season two...
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 36:50
Season one. You're getting ahead of yourself, my friend.
Scott Robson 36:53
Oh, good lord. See? This is why we're taking this summer off. Yeah, so thanks to everybody who listened to season one. We appreciate all of the listeners...
Kate Jaeger-Thomas 37:03
And reach out to us and let us know what you think. We are so grateful that you are here with us.